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John Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13953580952152642412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20291006.post-64699793875969458212007-11-09T19:32:00.000-08:002007-11-09T19:32:00.000-08:00Great couple of posts, Bill.The business models (&...Great couple of posts, Bill.<BR/><BR/>The business models (& attitudes assoc w/ them) of both studio & low budget films are flawed & drive me crazy.<BR/><BR/>:-)Team Brindlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11617273530412639059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20291006.post-497076744792180012007-11-08T07:26:00.000-08:002007-11-08T07:26:00.000-08:00It does. But I had to be careful with the issue so...It does. But I had to be careful with the issue so I made it broader with more people's lives becoming affected. You can read it if you like.Christian H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16847810167041864292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20291006.post-70749132274361540632007-11-07T17:51:00.000-08:002007-11-07T17:51:00.000-08:00Chris - forgive me for meddling... but the stakes ...Chris - forgive me for meddling... but the stakes issue mentioned may have to do with what I call the "or else factor".<BR/><BR/>The character has a problem, that problem needs to escalate... and the character needs to solve the problem or else...<BR/><BR/>Often scripts have no or else factor - nothing that drives the story. <BR/><BR/>And now, I'm going to move on... and write up a new blog entry.<BR/><BR/>- Billwcmartellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18075242897910568801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20291006.post-43225400861707012352007-11-07T16:35:00.000-08:002007-11-07T16:35:00.000-08:00Those who can, do; those who can't make independen...Those who can, do; those who can't make independent films. (This is a generalisation).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20291006.post-80663079985130461282007-11-07T16:17:00.000-08:002007-11-07T16:17:00.000-08:00WC,I'm not saying that anyone who doesn't see what...WC,<BR/>I'm not saying that anyone who doesn't see what I see is wrong, but at the same time they loved the script. It's a female driven drama which is a hard-sell unless it's very sexually-charged.<BR/><BR/>Bill,<BR/>I'm saying that if I don't believe in the research into the demographic, no one will. The funny thing is that no one noticed (or at least I wrote well enough to make it a non-issue) there is no sex, drugs, smoking or drinking.<BR/><BR/>The script in question was an experiment to see if I could make a boring topic exciting. It worked out as I see a trailer in this movie that will get butts in the seats. That's the end result we all want.<BR/><BR/>You can never find 10 out of 10 people who will see the value in any script so you have to believe in your research.<BR/><BR/>I did my research in dance clubs around NYC so a person who doesn't go to the club wouldn't get the significance and draw.<BR/><BR/>But as I said everyone loves the script. It got me a return query with the company in question, though that's blown out of the water with the strike.<BR/><BR/>Speaking of which, I hope we are all out there picketing. I'm in an industry without a union and I wish I wasn't.Christian H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16847810167041864292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20291006.post-88225129245417511832007-11-07T14:46:00.000-08:002007-11-07T14:46:00.000-08:00Chris - your two examples are exactly what I'm tal...Chris - your two examples are exactly what I'm talking about - those are big tramatic events in the character's lives. <BR/><BR/>But, like other Bill said, if a few people give you the same note - it's a problem that needs to be addressed. <BR/><BR/>In the case of the director's notes on my script - no one else in the history of that script had ever given notes like that... and the two main ones were story killers. One removed the conflict between the characters ("Why can't they just get along?") and the other removed the main conflict - turned it into a mistake made by someone not involved in the story at all (not even a character) so there was no actual resolution possible in the story... it would just end. As if we ran out of film. Also, this would have removed the motivations for every single character in the story. <BR/><BR/>Now, there were notes on this script from *Bill* that solved some little problems - removed some verbal exposition and gave us the info visuallly. I was more than happy to make those changes - they made the script better.<BR/><BR/>When I hear the same thing about a script from more than one person, I fix it. <BR/><BR/>- Billwcmartellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18075242897910568801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20291006.post-91611839631461929842007-11-07T12:07:00.000-08:002007-11-07T12:07:00.000-08:00Christian -You and I are going to have to agree to...Christian -<BR/><BR/>You and I are going to have to agree to disagree. Raising the stakes <I/>brings out the character</I>, it doesn't diminish it. The higher the stakes (not necessarily physically, but emotionally as well) then the more we see how your characters tick. <BR/><BR/>You have received feedback that your movie script isn't big enough. You've deleted your previous comment, but I recall you said "several" people made this comment (correct me if I'm wrong here, guys). Quit fighting tooth and nail and realize that something is not resonating with readers of your script. <BR/><BR/>There's a difference between "protecting your vision" and writing something that works. A good writer (or producer) has the wisdom to know the difference. <BR/><BR/>Pick your battles. <BR/><BR/>In the case of Bill's and my battle (skirmish)with the director - it was a case of story logic and POV. If we had pursued the course the director wanted to take, then a whole layer of subtext would have been lost because the logic of his approach was flawed. He wanted to substitute an external cause for the conflict instead of the conflict naturally rising out of the characters and their situation. That removed a lot of the tension and violated the theme (which always arises out of character's emotions and actions). <BR/><BR/>In other words: He wanted to lower the stakes.Cunninghamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07137025404327426886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20291006.post-8984586316035964062007-11-07T08:33:00.000-08:002007-11-07T08:33:00.000-08:00I agree that movies need to be as "captivating" as...I agree that movies need to be as "captivating" as possible, but I am in the nobody knows anything school and try to let each story play out without too much thinking about what I could do.<BR/><BR/>That's what writing is "what I could do" and it's different for everyone. Even the same genre or story will go in different directions.<BR/><BR/>I am usually a good judge of scripts and I will fight tooth and nail for my vision. <BR/><BR/>If you continually try to raise the stakes as it were, you can ofttimes end up with a hodgepodge of unrelated scenes (set pieces) that don't support the theme - not the best direction for a character-drama.<BR/><BR/>Sometimes people want to think and be entertained. Sometimes people want to laugh...sometimes they want to cheer... or cry.<BR/>Being true to your vision and being interesting is what people (audiences) will buy. Many highly praised movies right now are making no money while others are cleaning up. I mean I bet no one though The Game Plan would have done as well as it did. $80M now I believe.<BR/><BR/>I mean Clueless had virtually no plot or rising tension yet did $70M in box office.<BR/><BR/>I guess I just feel that worse come to worse, I won't make the only bad movie. <BR/><BR/>WC,<BR/>it's funny that you bring that up about the event as I find that the event will - or should - always fit the character.<BR/><BR/>Like in one script, I have a virgin. What's the worst thing that could happen? A rape. For a woman, that's like death, for a virgin it's like hell.<BR/><BR/>In another, I have a mild-mannered accountant who had to stand by and watch as his wife was murdered.Christian H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16847810167041864292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20291006.post-55319513709465700592007-11-07T05:03:00.000-08:002007-11-07T05:03:00.000-08:00We as writers are told to NEVER send out our scrip...We as writers are told to NEVER send out our scripts until they are flawless and absolutely perfect... so somebody is fudging the rules... a lot of somebodys<BR/><BR/>"we could have better movies, producers could make more money, and good writing could be rewarded... if they just put quality first."<BR/><BR/>It starts at the script level. Don't submit shit or else shit will be made (ignoring the meddling I mean)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20291006.post-81340863088014629112007-11-06T17:46:00.000-08:002007-11-06T17:46:00.000-08:00Oh, btw I ran into Don over at Gorilla who had man...Oh, btw I ran into Don over at Gorilla who had many complimentary things to say about you.Cunninghamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07137025404327426886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20291006.post-58346247148250070102007-11-06T17:44:00.000-08:002007-11-06T17:44:00.000-08:00Bill,we only lose out if we make their movie and n...Bill,<BR/><BR/>we only lose out if we make <I/>their</I> movie and not <I/>our</I> movie...and I still haven't given up yet.Cunninghamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07137025404327426886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20291006.post-19900963289556756322007-11-06T17:15:00.000-08:002007-11-06T17:15:00.000-08:00Seriously - Disc/ontent Bill jumped on a grenade f...Seriously - Disc/ontent Bill jumped on a grenade for me. I owe him big time (for a project we both lost out on).<BR/><BR/>Yes, it was a horror film.<BR/><BR/>And Bill also nails it on "not bog enough" - raise the stakes. Even if a movie is 5 people in a room (which is really a stage play) it needs to be the *biggest event in their lives* - the one that is even bigger than their eventual death. The event that alters them forever. <BR/><BR/>And think about how you can raise the emotional content by raising the stakes... and raise the stakes by placing people in *intense* situations.<BR/><BR/>Okay, I've been plugging this movie for a while and I'm about to do an interview with the writer for the website - ALTERED is about 5 guys who live through a *terrible* experience and 15 years later it still haunts them and controls their lives. One died, one went to prison, one is a drunk, one is isolated from society, one lives in constant fear. Okay - this is like DELIVERANCE 2 in a way. The 4 survivors end up in the isolated guy's garage talking about the event together for the first time. Dealing with the pain and the shame. And trying to figure out how to get on with their lives. It's a male-issues drama. One big meaty scene after another. You know, they really don't make movies about men's issues - we usually just get explosions or boobs. The reason why I compare it to DELIVERANCE is - how many other movies are really *about* men?<BR/><BR/>Okay, sounds like the 5 people in a room story - and it is (isolated guy has a GF who knows nothing about the event 15 years ago). But what makes this a Universal release even though it was made for pocket change is...<BR/><BR/>The event 15 years ago? They were kidnapped and probed by aliens. And no one in town believes them. <BR/><BR/>Oh, and 3 of the guys thought the best way to get over the event would be to get revenge - so they've spent a decade trying to trap and capture an alien... and the movie starts with them doing this, then taking the thing to the isolated guy's house... where it prompts big dramatic scenes.<BR/><BR/>Could have been raped by hillbillies while white water rafting - that created some amazing dramatic scenes in DELIVERANCE. But both movies really build the drama by having the event be the most afwul frightening thing possible. Worse than death.<BR/><BR/>- Billwcmartellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18075242897910568801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20291006.post-85171136795461194542007-11-06T15:52:00.000-08:002007-11-06T15:52:00.000-08:00So, ah... what kind of money was it that the produ...So, ah... what kind of money was it that the producer with the $100K movie was being offered? ;-) Was this for a horror film?Andrew Bellwarehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05718623679244389126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20291006.post-83185897048916581692007-11-06T14:37:00.000-08:002007-11-06T14:37:00.000-08:00What you're talking about Bill, is not a talent sh...What you're talking about Bill, is not a talent shortage, but a shortage of <B/>professionalism.</B> <BR/><BR/>Tell your guy to suck it up and rewrite his script. <BR/><BR/>Tell the director to keep his hands off your script - if anyone is going to rewrite it, it's you. Even if you aren't getting paid extra. Why?<BR/><BR/>Because it doesn't do you much good if they rape your script in production does it? <BR/><BR/>Guard your child.<BR/><BR/>Bill can tell you of the time I sunk an attachment with a name director for a project because he wanted to change the whole tone of Bill's script. If I had given in, we would have had a completed film.<BR/><BR/>But it would have sucked.<BR/> <BR/>If the situation were happening today I wouldn't change a thing - I would still have told the director no deal. <BR/><BR/>Christian - when you say they want it bigger, I take that to mean the stakes - the consequences for the characters - need to be bigger. <BR/><BR/>But of course, that's Just My Opinion (JMO)...Cunninghamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07137025404327426886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20291006.post-53391888408500830782007-11-06T13:02:00.000-08:002007-11-06T13:02:00.000-08:00This post and the previous post were very thought-...This post and the previous post were very thought-provoking.Martin_Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06872780969179149381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20291006.post-45439641443322564242007-11-06T12:17:00.000-08:002007-11-06T12:17:00.000-08:00Yet another fantastic blog post. Thanks for shari...Yet another fantastic blog post. Thanks for sharing your insights!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20291006.post-38924496431132748982007-11-06T11:34:00.000-08:002007-11-06T11:34:00.000-08:00"I think this is the real problem: no one wants to..."I think this is the real problem: no one wants to do their job. Agents don't want to search for new talent, so they only read scripts that are referred to them. Producers don't want to search for scripts, they want agents to find them... and they would rather someone just hand them a script that already has Tom Cruise attached - saves them finding a star."<BR/><BR/>My thoughts exactly.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16897402622057966364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20291006.post-15197341152295131052007-11-06T09:36:00.000-08:002007-11-06T09:36:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Christian H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16847810167041864292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20291006.post-90159065250878234842007-11-05T17:59:00.000-08:002007-11-05T17:59:00.000-08:00Speaking of jobs, seems like everyone wants to do ...Speaking of jobs, seems like everyone wants to do the writer's job too. Directors want to write, actors want to write, agents want to tell writers what to write. Someone at the Expo said the screenplay has become the new Great American Novel -- the thing that everyone now wants to write.<BR/><BR/>So tens of thousands of scripts get written, and since no one actually reads except 20 year old film student interns who just skim, I'm not sure a good screenplay could be recognized in the muck anymore!<BR/><BR/>I think for an aspiring director, maybe there's a certain impetus to write your own script despite access to better ones because as long as you're going to break your back doing everything else on the movie you at least want it to be your script. I guess that may feel good during production, but it's gotta be lame when AFM comes around and your movie is unsold.svatopiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01385689100934173723noreply@blogger.com